It
is too often asserted by Roman Catholics that their church never
contradicted itself, but which claim is made under the premise that only infallible statements count, and that Rome defines what a contradiction is, as she has infallibly defined herself as possessing assured infallibility,
whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope
and content-based) criteria.
It is true that under different circumstances laws may change. However, why some were changed (as in unplanned loss of "coercive power") as well as the kind of interpretations made of some, can presents a strong case for inconsistencies and some apparent contradictions.
Note that in the following modern teaching is followed by those from the past, and that I do not claim that are all what Rome asserts are "infallible teachings" (incapable of being in error) and there is some disagreement among Catholics as to what class of magisterial teaching some fall into (and thus what level of assent is required, which a Catholic has a right to know), as there is no infallible list of all infallible teachings.
Contra
# 1
On "extra Ecclesiam nulla
salus" (outside the Church there is no salvation)
►Present:
• RCC:
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the
Church Fathers?[335] Re-formulated positively, it means that
all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is
his Body:…Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the
Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would
refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.[336]
[This
is somewhat open to interpretation by Roman Catholics, some of whom
understand this as teaching that all must die as Catholics in repentance from typical Protestant "errors" (according to Rome) to be saved, while many know of the claims of Rome to be the one true church, but do not know these as being warranted. And yet in my judgment few Catholics evidently live and die truly trusting the Lord
Jesus to save them by His blood (and thus follow Him), rather than effectively trusting in the power of
Rome and or their own merits, both of which Catholicism effectually fosters. May the former ever be my faith, by the mercy of
God.]
• LUMEN GENTIUM: "..there
are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of
belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal.
They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in
Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. (Cf. Jn. 16:13) They are
consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with
Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their
own Churches or ecclesiastical [Protestant] communities…"
• "They
also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise
we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the
Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces
whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power.
Some indeed He
has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood." —
LUMEN GENTIUM: 16.
• Dominus Iesus: " …those who are baptized in these
communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are
in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church.”
“All who have been justified by Faith in Baptism are
incorporated into Christ: they therefore have a right to be
called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as
brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.” —
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
• John Paul II, Ut Unum Sint (# 84),
May 25, 1995 [Speaking of non-Catholic “Churches”]: 83. "I have mentioned the will of the
Father and the spiritual space in which each community hears the call
to overcome the obstacles to unity. All Christian Communities know
that, thanks to the power given by the Spirit, obeying that will and
overcoming those obstacles are not beyond their reach. All of them in
fact have martyrs for the Christian faith.137 Despite the tragedy of
our divisions, these brothers and sisters have preserved an
attachment to Christ and to the Father so radical and absolute as to
lead even to the shedding of blood..."
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25051995_ut-unum-sint_en.html
►Past:
• Pius XII, Humani Generis (27,28):
"Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical
Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches
that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the
same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging
to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation...These and like errors, it is clear, have crept in among certain of Our
sons." http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis_en.html
• Pope
Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 9): "The practice of the Church has always
been the same, as is shown by the
unanimous teaching of the Fathers,
who were wont to hold as outside
Catholic communion,
and alien to the Church, whoever would recede
in the least degree from any
point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium."
Satis
Cognitum (# 9): June 29, 1896:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum_en.html
• Pope
Pius IX, Amantissimus: “There are other, almost countless, proofs
drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly
testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all
who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor
and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff."
Pope
Pius IX, Amantissimus (On The Care Of The Churches), Encyclical
promulgated on April 8, 1862, # 3.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P9AMANT2.HTM
• Pope Pius IX (1846–1878),
Encyclical Singulari Quidem March 17, 1856): “There
is only one true, holy, Catholic Church,
which is the Apostolic Roman Church.
There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord,
outside of which we cannot find either
true faith or eternal salvation. He who
does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father,
and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is
established trusts falsely that he is in the Church.
(On
the Unity of the Catholic Church)
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9singul.htm
• Pope
Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam:
“We
declare,
say,
define,
and pronounce
[ex
cathedra]
that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human
creature to be subject
to the Roman Pontiff.”
"If,
therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not
committed to Peter and to his successors,
they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since
the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd
(Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority,
resists the command of God Himself. " —
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html
• Fifth Lateran Council: Moreover, since subjection to the
Roman pontiff is necessary for salvation for all Christ's faithful,
as we are taught by the testimony of both sacred scripture and the
holy fathers, and as is declared by the constitution of pope
Boniface VIII of happy memory, also our predecessor, which begins
Unam sanctam, we therefore...renew and give our approval
to that constitution... Fifth
Lateran CouncilSession 11, 19 December 1516,
http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum18.htm
•
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos: Furthermore,
in this one Church of Christ no
man can
be
or remain
who does not
accept,
recognize
and obey
the authority
and supremacy
of Peter
and his legitimate
successors.
Did not the ancestors of those who are now entangled in the errors of
Photius
[the eastern “Orthodox” schismatics] and the reformers, obey the
Bishop of Rome, the chief shepherd of souls?...Let none delude
himself with obstinate wrangling. For life
and salvation are here concerned...” Pope
Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, PTC:873) The
Promotion of True Religious Unity), 11, Encyclical promulgated on
January 6, 1928, #11;
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos_en.html
•
Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence: "The
sacrosanct Roman Church...firmly believes,
professes,
and proclaims
that..not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics
cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart into everlasting fire...unless before
the end of life
the same have been added
to the flock;
and that..no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the
name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and
unity of the Catholic Church.” —
Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (Seventeenth Ecumenical Council), Cantate Domino, Bull promulgated on February 4, 1441
(Florentine style), [considered infallible by some]
• Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV: "One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose
body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under
the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the
divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that
to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His
(nature) what He Himself received from ours."
— Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215) [considered infallible by some]
• Therefore,
if
anyone says
that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is
to say, by divine law) that
blessed Peter
should have
perpetual successors
in the primacy
over the whole
Church;
or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in
this primacy: let him be anathema.
—
Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1
• The COUNCIL OF
CONSTANCE under Pope John XXIII condemned
the proposition of Wycliff
that “It is not necessary
for salvation
to believe
that the Roman
church is supreme
among the other churches.” [inasmuch as it would deny the primacy
of the supreme pontiff
over the other individual churches.] —
Session
8—4 May 1415; http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/CONSTANC.HTM
• Pius 9, Quanto
Conficiamur Moerore: “Also well
known
is the Catholic
teaching
that no
one can be saved outside
the Catholic
Church.
Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who
oppose the authority
and statements
of the same
Church
and are stubbornly
separated
from the unity
of the Church and also from the successor
of Peter,
the Roman Pontiff..”
- http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9quanto.htm
• St.
Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that
to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation.
For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if we
imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in
the Church of Peter
and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because
of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he
did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals
[Greeks]
says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s
confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the
universal Church, wherein we
must remain
for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and
confession we
must obey him.”
—
St.
Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38
• St.
Frances Xavier Cabrini: "Many Protestants
have almost the same practices as we, only
they
do not submit to the Holy Father
and attach themselves to the true Ark of Salvation. They do not want
to become Catholics and unite themselves under the banner of truth
wherein alone there is true salvation. Of what avail is it, children,
if Protestants lead naturally pure, honest lives, yet lack the Holy
Ghost? They may well say: 'We do no harm; we lead good lives'; but,
if they do not enter the true fold of Christ, all their protestations
are in vain."
St. Frances Xavier Cabrini, "Travels", Chicago: 1944, pp.
84, 71.
• St. Ambrose, "Expl. of Luke: "The Lord severed the
Jewish people from His kingdom, and heretics and schismatics
are also severed from the kingdom of God and from the
Church. Our Lord makes it perfectly clear that every assembly
of heretics and schismatics belongs not to God, but to
the unclean spirit." —
St.
Ambrose, "Expl. of Luke", ch.7, 91-95; PL 15; SS, vol. II,
p. 85, (quoted in The Apostolic Digest, by Michael Malone, Book 4:
"The Book of Christians", Chapter 2: "Those Who Reject
Christ's Church are Anti-Christian"). http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/6480/catholics/apostolic4chp2.html
Contra
2.
►Present:
• Lumen Gentium 16: “The Moslems together with us
adore the one merciful God.” (http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19641121_lumen-gentium_en.html)
• "The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God,...they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God." (Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3, October 28, 1965)
• CCC: 847 This affirmation is not aimed
at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know
Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do
not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless
seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their
actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their
conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.[337]
►Past:
• Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence: "The
sacrosanct Roman Church...firmly believes,
professes,
and proclaims
that..not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics
cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart into everlasting fire.—
Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (Seventeenth Ecumenical Council), Cantate Domino, Bull promulgated on February 4, 1441
(Florentine style), [considered infallible by some]
• Pope Pelagius I: I confess that the Lord will give
over by a very just judgment to the punishment of eternal and
inextinguishable fire the wicked who either did not
know by way of the Lord or, knowing it, left it when seized by
various transgressions, in order that they may burn without end.
(Attributed to Pope Pelagius I in, “Humani Generis,” April 1, 557 A.D.)
•
Pope Gregory "the Great:" The Holy Catholic Church teaches that
God cannot be adored except within her fold; she
affirms that all those who are separated from her will not be saved.
(Pope St. Gregory the Great, “Moralia,” XIV:5)
• Pope Pius
X: Acts which spring from natural
goodness have only the appearance of virtue; they cannot last of
themselves nor can they merit salvation. (Pope St. Pius
X, “Editae Saepe,” May 26, 1910)
• Pope Gregory
XIV: He who is separated from
the Body of the Catholic Church, however praiseworthy his conduct may
seem otherwise, will never enjoy eternal life. (Pope Gregory
XIV, “Summo Jugiter,” May 27, 1832)
• Pope Pius IX: Neither the true Faith nor
eternal salvation is to be found outside the Holy
Catholic Church. It is a SIN to believe that there is salvation
outside the Catholic Church. (Ven. Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quidem,
March 17, 1856; cf. also OUR GLORIOUS POPES, Slaves of the Immaculate
Heart of Mary, Cambridge, MA: 1955, p.168)
• Pope Pius IX: Error Condemned: Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of
eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. -- Encyclical "Qui
pluribus," Nov. 9, 1846. (Pope Pius IX, “Syllabus of Modern Errors;http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm)
Contra
3
►Present:
• Nostra Aetate: Indeed, the Church deplores all
hatreds, persecutions, displays of anti-semitism levelled at any time
or from any source against the Jews (Declaration on the Relation
of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, “Nostra Aetate,” Oct.
28, 1965)
►Past:
• Pope Innocent III: The crucifiers of Christ ought to
be held in continual subjection. (Pope Innocent III, “Epistle to the
Hierarchy of France,” July 15, 1205)
• Thomas Aquinas: It would be licit, according to
custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their
crime. (St. Thomas Aquinas, “De Regimine Judaeorum”)
Contra
4
►Present:
• Nostra Aetate: Therefore, the Church reproves as
foreign to the mind of Christ any discrimination against people or
any harrassment on the basis of race, color, condition in life, or
religion. (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to
Non-Christian Religions, “Nostra Aetate,” Oct. 28, 1965)
• Dignitatis Humanae: Religious communities have the
right not to be prevented from publicly teaching and bearing witness
to their beliefs by the spoken or written word. (Declaration on
Religious Freedom, “Dignitatis Humanae,” December 12, 1965)
►Past:
• Pope Gregory XVI: It is insanity to believe that
liberty of conscience and liberty of worship are the inalienable
rights of every citizen. From this stinking fountain of
Indifferentism flows the erroneous and absurd opinion, or rather
derangement, that liberty of conscience must be asserted and
vindicated for everyone. This most pestilential error opens the door
to the complete and immoderate liberty of opinions which works such
widespread harm both in Church and State. (Pope Gregory XVI, “Mirari
Vos,” August 15,1832)
• Pope Pius
IX, Error Condemned: Every man is free to embrace and
to profess that religion which, led by the light of reason, he shall consider to true. -- Allocution "Maxima quidem," June
9, 1862; Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851. (Ven. Pope Pius
IX, “Syllabus of Modern Errors,”December 8, 1864; http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm)
Contra
5
►Present:
• Dignitatis
Humanae: If special civil recognition is
given to one religious community in the constitutional organization
of the State, the right of all citizens and religious communities to
religious freedom must be recognized and respected.
►Past:
• Pope
Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors):
[It is error to believe that]
Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries,
that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise
of their own peculiar worship.” (Section X, Errors Having Reference
to Modern Liberalism, #78.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P9SYLL.HTM)
• Pope Pius IX, Error condemned: In this age of
ours, it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion be the
only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other cults
whatsoever. In certain regions of Catholic name, it has been
praiseworthily sanctioned by law that men immigrating there be
allowed to have public exercises of any form of worship of their own.
(Pope Pius IX, “Syllabus of Modern Errors,”December 8, 1864)
Contra
6
►Present:
• Dignitatis Humanae: It is fully in accordance with the
nature of Faith that in religious matters every form of coercion
by men should be excluded.
• CCC 2298: In times past, cruel practices were commonly used by legitimate governments to maintain law and order, often without protest from the Pastors of the Church, who themselves adopted in their own tribunals the prescriptions of Roman law concerning torture. Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught the duty of clemency and mercy [Islam can say the same, but in both cases the religious use of sword of man is sanctioned]. She forbade clerics to shed blood [by having the state do it]. In recent times [like the New Testament] it has become evident that these cruel practices were neither necessary for public order, nor in conformity with the legitimate rights of the human person. On the contrary, these practices led to ones even more degrading. It is necessary to work for their abolition. We must pray for the victims and their tormentors [Rome being one of the latter].
• In
this regard, I reiterate that the prohibition against torture ‘cannot
be contravened under any circumstances’”. — Pope Benedict XVI,
in a speech of 6 September 2007; Torture and corporal punishment as a
problem in Catholic Theology, September 2005;
• ..the disciple of Christ rejects
every recourse to such methods, which nothing could justify, and by
which the dignity of man is as much debased in the torturer as in his
victim. . . — Pope John Paul II, Address to the International Red
Cross (Geneva, June 15, 1982).
►Past:
• Pope Leo X: That
it is against the will of the Spirit to burn heretics at the stake is
condemned as false. (Pope Leo X, “Exsurge Domino,” 1520)
• Pope Innocent IV, Ad extirpanda: The head of state or ruler must force all the heretics
whom he has in custody,{8} provided he does so without killing them
or breaking their arms or legs,as actual robbers and murderers of
souls and thieves of the sacraments of God and Christian faith, to
confess their errors and accuse other heretics whom they know, and
specify their motives, {9} and those whom they have seduced, and
those who have lodged them and defended them,as thieves and robbers
of material goods are made to accuse their accomplices and confess
the crimes they have committed.
Those convicted of heresy by the aforesaid Diocesan
Bishop,surrogate or inquisitors, shall be taken in shackles to the
head of state or ruler or his special representative, instantly,or
at least within five days, and the latter shall apply the
regulations promulgated against such persons [burn them
alive]...(http://userwww.sfsu.edu/%7Edraker/history/Ad_Extirpanda.html; http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/01p/1252-05-15,_SS_Innocentius_IV,_Bulla_%27Ad_Extirpanda%27,_EN.pdf)
- • Pope Innocent, in his instruction for the guidance of the Inquisition in Tuscany
and Lombardy, ordered the civil magistrates to extort from all
heretics by torture a confession of their own guilt and a betrayal
of all their accomplices (1252).
This was an ominous precedent, which did more harm to the reputation of the papacy than the extermination of any number of heretics could possibly do it good. (Phillip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Volume IV: Mediaeval Christianity. A.D. 590-1073.The Torture http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/hcc4.i.vi.viii.html)
• Canons of the Ecumenical Fourth
Lateran Council, 1215:
We
excommunicate and anathematize every heresy that raises against the
holy, orthodox and Catholic faith which we have above explained;
condemning all heretics under whatever names they may be
known, for while they have different faces they are nevertheless
bound to each other by their tails, since in all of them vanity is a
common element. Those condemned, being handed over to the secular
rulers of their bailiffs, let them be abandoned, to be punished with
due justice, clerics being first degraded from their orders.
As to
the property of the condemned, if they are laymen, let it be
confiscated; if clerics, let it be applied to the churches from
which they received revenues. But those who are only suspected, due
consideration being given to the nature of the suspicion and the
character of the person, unless they prove their innocence by a
proper defense, let them be anathematized and avoided by all 1-intil
they have made suitable satisfaction; but if they have been under
excommunication for one year, then let them be condemned as heretics.
Secular
authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and
induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure,
that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so
for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that
they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to
exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all
heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall
have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be
bound to confirm this decree by oath.
But
if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by
the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical
foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and
the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction
within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff,
that he may declare the ruler's vassals absolved from their
allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled lay Catholics,
who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without
hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right,
however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he
offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action.
The
same law is to be observed in regard to those who have no chief
rulers (that is, are independent). Catholics who have girded
themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics,
shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in
defense of the Holy Land.
(http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/lateran4.asp)
• Pope Innocent IV: Those who have been detected, even
by slight proof, to have deviated from the doctrine of the Catholic
religion ought to fall under the classification of heretic and under
the sentences operating against heretics. (Pope Innocent IV,
“Registers of Innocent IV,” Berger, Paris:1881)
Contra 7
►Present:
• Rome, Italy, Feb 19, 2010 / 02:03
pm (CNA).- The president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting
Christian Unity, Cardinal Walter Kasper, announced this week that
Pope Benedict XVI will visit the Evangelical Lutheran Church located
in Rome on March 14 for an ecumenical celebration.
• Pope John Paul II took part in a normal Advent service at the Evangelical Lutheran Christ Church
on Dec. 11, in which he bowed toward his head and joined with Pastor
Meyer in reciting the Apostles' Creed and the Lord's Prayer. In
reference to Luther five centuries after his birth, the pope said,
''we see as if in a distance the dawning of the advent of a
reconstruction of our unity and community.'' (NY
Times, December 12, 1983;
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/12/world/pope-citing-hope-for-unity-takes-part-in-lutheran-rite.html)
►Past:
• “the Church forbids the faithful
to communicate with those unbelievers who have forsaken the faith
they once received, either by corrupting the faith, as heretics, or
by entirely renouncing the faith, as apostates, because the Church
pronounces sentence of excommunication on both.” (St. Thomas
Aquinas, Summa Theologica)
• How does a Catholic sin against faith? A Catholic sins against Faith by Apostasy, heresy, indifferentism and by taking part in non-Catholic worship....when he intends to identify himself with a religion he knows is defective." (Baltimore Catechism Q. #205; http://www.clerus.org/bibliaclerusonline/en/bli.htm)
• ...”in the case of simple people and those who are weak in the faith, whose perversion is to be feared as a probable result, they should be forbidden to communicate with unbelievers, and especially to be on very familiar terms with them, or to communicate with them without necessity.” (St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Article 9. “Whether it is lawful to communicate with unbelievers?” http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3010.htm)
• “...this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics.” (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos, 10,11; http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19280106_mortalium-animos.html)
• 1917 Code of Canon Law: "It is not permitted at all for the faithful to assist in any active manner at or to have any part in the worship of non-Catholics." (1917 Code of Canon Law states: that:Canon 1258)
Contra
9
►Present:
• Canon 229 §1. Lay persons are
bound by the obligation and possess the right to acquire a knowledge
of Christian doctrine adapted to their capacity and condition so that
they can live in accord with the doctrine, announce it, defend it
when necessary, and be enabled to assume their role in exercising the
apostolate.
►Past:
• We furthermore forbid any lay
person to engage in dispute, either private or public, concerning the
Catholic Faith. Whosoever shall act contrary to this decree, let him
be bound in the fetters of excommunication. — Pope Alexander IV
(1254-1261) in “Sextus Decretalium”, Lib. V, c. ii:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/archive/index.php/t-51631.html
• Quinisext Ecumenical Council,
Canon 64: That a layman must not publicly make a speech or teach,
thus investing himself with the dignity of a teacher, but, instead,
must submit to the ordinance handed down by the Lord, and to open his
ear wide to them who have received the grace of teaching ability, and
to be taught by them the divine facts thoroughly.
See Roman Catholicism's attitude and regulation of Bible reading here.
well done sir !
ReplyDeletewe could do with a few more who speak the truth
ian johnston
The reason you are confused ... over *apparent* contradictions ... is that Satan's vatican-2 heretic cult is not the Catholic Church.
ReplyDeleteThe vatican-2 heretic cult ... was founded on 8 December 1965, the close date of the "vatican-2 council".
The founding documents of the v-2 heresy ... are the "council" documents which have well over 200 heresies against prior defined unchangeable Sources of Dogma.
I list fifty (50) of them on Section 12 of my site > www.Immaculata-one.com.
So the Sources of Dogma on Salvation (getting to Heaven) are not contradicted or "changed" ... Dogma such as ...
Council of Florence, Session 8, Pope Eugene IV, 22 Nov 1439 -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"Whoever wills to be saved, before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic faith. Unless a person keeps this faith whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish eternally."
Vatican Council of 1870, Session 2, Profession of Faith Section, Pope Pius IX -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"This true Catholic Faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold, is what I shall steadfastly maintain and confess, by the help of God, in all its completeness and purity until my dying breath."
Fourth Lateran Council, Pope Innocent III, 1215 A.D. -- Ex-Cathedra Dogma >
"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all is saved."
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There is not a single heretic in Heaven ... and there never will be.
Formal Abjuration of heresy (for becoming Christian) is on Section 19.1 of the above site.
And yes ... the vatican-2 heretic cult participants ... those going to the buildings with the Catholic signs out front are *all* automatically excommunicated for physical participation in a heresy.
I do think you have warrant for your position in the light of the obvious discrepancy btwn past and modern Rome, but which is due to the fundamental critical and otherwise discrepancy btwn the NT and the church of Rome, pre V2 or post.
ReplyDeleteIn contrast to Scripture being supreme, which premise the church began under, Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
And as an autocratic supreme authority is its own authority and interpreter, Rome can justify her changes under the premise that she alone can correctly interpret not only Scripture, Tradition and history so that it only consists of and means what she says it does, but also can alone correctly interpret herself.
While we both agree that Rome in the past taught that it is entire necessary to be subject to the Roman pontiff for salvation, V2 interpreted this in a liberal way, and Rome has continued to example this interpretation by her actions, which constitute the evidence of what we really believe. And rather than Ted Kennedy-type RCs being excommunicated, they are overall treated as members in life and in death.
Moreover, your position serves to illustrate the variety of belief within Catholicism, while it promotes sola ecclesia as the solution to sects and schism, which it says you are in, or you say she is in.
In any case, the real issue is authority, and the basis for determination and assurance of Truth.
It seems to me that the RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority. (Jn. 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:13; Mt. 16:18; Lk. 10:16)
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus those who dissent from the latter are in rebellion to God. Does this fairly represent what you hold to or in what way does it differ?
This is nothing at all compared to the ongoing contradictions between modern non-Catholics of nearly every stripe. They cannot even agree as to if baptism is necessary for salvation and while they tout themselves as "Bible only Christians" they do so without even one shred of scripture that specifically lays claim to such authority so that even by its own standards it fails the test of a true Christian doctrine and...all other doctrines they have created based upon that errant foundation then collapse as well.
ReplyDeleteInvoking ongoing contradictions between modern non-Catholics of nearly every stripe is irrelevant unless I am defending non-Catholics as a whole. But unlike Catholics, I am not even defending a particular church, but faith as resting upon Scripture as being supreme as the only wholly inspired of God infallible substantive body of Truth, versus human leaders or an office of them.
DeleteUnder both models there is both unity and division, with those who hold most strongly to Scripture as basically literally being the word of God are the most unified basic core beliefs, in contrast to liberals, which largely predominate Catholicism (so much so that its leaders elected Francis).
They cannot even agree as to if baptism is necessary for salvation and while they tout themselves as "Bible only Christians"
Actually, those who are typically called "Bible Christians"(evangelical types) are strongly unified in agreeing that as Peter preached, "whosoever believes on Him receives remission of sins," for God purifies the heart by faith, (Acts 10:43; 15:9) but that such faith is one the effects obedience, and thus almost all preach believers baptism. (Acts 8:12) And which is not opposed to Acts 2:38, which promised regeneration to those who would manifest such faith. For indeed, the promise of salvation by faith is contingent upon having true faith, which results in works which justify one as having true faith. (cf. Heb. 6:9,10)
they do so without even one shred of scripture that specifically lays claim to such authority so that even by its own standards it fails the test of a true Christian doctrine and...all other doctrines they have created based upon that errant foundation then collapse as well.
Which objection is as invalid as laying that at the feet of 1st century souls who considered itinerant preachers to be men of God whom the historical magisterium and stewards of Divine revelation rejected, but who established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power.
What is your basis for your assurance of truth?